This conversation with Heather Fisher explores the psychological, neurological, and social impact of narcissistic and psychopathic abuse, how survivors are often re-traumatized by systems and silenced, and why education on these dynamics is essential for prevention, healing, and justice.
Kerry McAvoy’s insight into the deep psychological manipulation used by pathological individuals — along with her personal and clinical experience — made this dialogue especially powerful. I truly believe it adds depth to the conversation I began in my recent Blue Banner editorial, “This Matters: The Institutional Response to Covert Abuse.”